Saturday, April 24, 2010

"Ageism in Reverse"?


In spite of the fact that the headline irks me(there is no such thing as "reverse discrimination", in any event youth suffer far more ageism than seniors), this is a good article. What are your thoughts?
http://jobs.guardian.co.uk/officehou...936111,00.html


Ageism in reverse

It's not only older workers who are discriminated against. A new survey reveals that young employees suffer too, says Kate Hilpern

Monday April 14, 2003
The Guardian

The TUC is calling for a minimum youth wage to boost the income of thousands of young workers. Currently, the national minimum wage doesn't kick in until employees are 18. "A government report from two years ago said that the days of employers paying workers £1 or £2 an hour are gone," says TUC general secretary Brendan Barber. "But there are reports of 16- and 17-year-olds being exploited in this way, and without an enforceable minimum wage they have nowhere to turn."

The move is one of a series of attempts to tackle "youth ageism" - with under-25s being its latest victims, according to organisations such as the Employers Forum on Age (EFA) and the Chartered Institute of Personnel and Development (CIPD). Not only does this age group claim their youth can detrimentally affect their salaries, but it can also hold them back in the selection process and act as a block to them climbing the career ladder.

"Our latest survey found that more than half of under-25s say they have been discriminated against on the basis of their age," says Dianah Worman, policy adviser at the CIPD. Among the most common experiences cited were being discouraged from applying for a job because the advert indirectly indicated age restriction and suffering from age discrimination during a job interview.

Other recent reports have found that many job seekers have been told explicitly by a recruitment agency or employer that they are "too young" for a job, despite having the right qualifications.

Meanwhile, other respondents claim they have had to leave their current employer in order for their ideas to be taken seriously or to get promoted. "The chief reason for age discrimination against the young is the stereotype that they are inexperienced and lack responsibility and dependability," says Worman. "Coupled with the fact that we live in a climate where there is growing pressure on managers to find someone who can do exactly what they want right now - as opposed to recruiting the talent for tomorrow - youth ageism is becoming rife."

In the past there has been considerable focus on training and nurturing new employees, with the hope that they will stay loyal and committed to the employer for years to come. "In fact, I would say that organisations are still able to talk a good story about wanting to develop people," says Hazel Bunston, service development director for Penna Careers Consulting. "But the cost of recruiting, and the fact that most companies have been stripped pretty lean, means they tend to buy in proven - rather than potential - talent."

A further problem is what Bunston refers to as the "apprenticeship syndrome". "It's incredibly difficult for people who join an organisation as a trainee of any kind to ever be seen by colleagues as anything other than the person they were when they joined. So if you join as Sue, the 16-year-old trainee accountant, and five years later you are a fully fledged accountant, there's a good chance you'll still be seen as Sue, the trainee. For many people, this means they have to join another organisation to be recognised as a 21-year-old with significant experience and skills. The company that has invested five years of training in Sue, only to find she's left because her career can't flourish within their organisation, is usually unwilling to then invest in someone else. It becomes a vicious circle."

Occupational psychologist Andrew Martin believes many companies simply don't want to recruit Generation Xers - those born in the 70s and 80s - because they are perceived as fickle. "This group saw the jobs of their parents' generation axed time and time again and many are determined to take charge of their own career development. They will work hard, but move on once they have learned what they can from an organisation. Many employers, understandably, don't want to invest in such people. Rather, they want workers who they feel will be loyal, committed and retainable."

According to the EFA, as the issue of ageism against older workers gains greater publicity, employers are less likely to stereotype them with myths such as being slow to learn. "But we have noticed that in turn they are becoming more willing to attach stereotypes to younger people - such as that they are disloyal and more interested in their social lives than work," says Samantha Mercer, the EFA's campaign director. "The result is that younger workers are currently fair game for ageism."

It doesn't help, she says, that more and more employers are demanding a certain number of years' experience for roles that actually don't need experience. "Anyone under 24 is unlikely to have five years' experience - which is what is often asked for - and are therefore being directly discriminated against."

The good news is that some employers - particularly those in the public sector - are waking up to the fact that they are employing an ageing workforce. Oxfordshire county council is among them. "We suddenly realised that only 13% of our workforce was under 30 and a mere 1% was under 21," says a spokeswoman. Among the changes the council made to widen the age profile was introducing work-experience placements, increasing the number of full-time posts and expanding training and career development.

Meanwhile, other companies are expanding IT and computing facilities, which tend to attract younger workers, as well as quirky perks such as "duvet days", pool tables and visiting hairdressers.



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Alex Koroknay-Palicz
President & Executive Director
National Youth Rights Association
www.youthrights.org

9 comments:

  1. I really liked this post but it had me thinking...I don't necessarily agree with those individuals who argue that they didn't get a job due to reverse discrimination. I think that employers have a right to hire someone based on not only job experience but also life experience. Someone may look qualified because they've gone to school or can do the tasks at hand by the book but can they deal with stressful situations or have they had enough life experience to problem solve and think outside the box. I think it's legitimate for an employer to look at someone's resume and say that they're too young for a position.

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  2. I think that this is a great article and makes a lot of good points. I have a couple of questions though.
    What does the author mean that there is no such things as reverse discrimination - what do you think? Does that mean that discrimination is discrimination in any form?
    I am wondering the the author had done any research to suggest that there is more ageism for the young than the elderly?

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  3. I always like it when people remember that ageism is not just about the elderly. It happens to younger people quite a bit and I think it is really similar...

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  4. I just wanted to share my experience with ageism before I commented on your blog.
    I was in a class that had very few students under the age of twenty, five students out of 20 to be exact. We were highly outnumbered. It was a sign language class so we sat in a semi-circle. On one half of the room the older students and the other half the younger students. When ever the younger students put in their opinion or participated, the older students made snide remarks under their breath, laughed, or corrected us. I thought this was rude considering we were all in the same class to learn the same things. This continued throughout the semester until the final exam. The professor insisted that the older students go first, when prompted to do so one of the students said, "We're older, we shouldn't have to go first. They should." I could not control myself and I called her out stating that "That is ageism and if the professor asked you to go first you should respect that." She continued to fight because she didn't want to, so finally out of sheer annoyance and immaturity I said "Please, age before beauty." and everything was done.

    I think your blog is very informative and I think a lot more people should be aware of ageism and ways of getting away from it. I was always taught to respect those who are older than me, but I have learned to respect only those who respect me in return.

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  5. Jess, thank you for sharing that story. I was frustrated along with you just reading it. I am an older student and so far I have found that there are more younger students in my class than older but it has been my experience that all have gotten along. I think we are all there together having the same experiences trying to learn the same things. It's too bad that we don't always act like a team. I am sorry to hear about your experience and I really hope that it is the exception and not the rule. I hope not to run into that. I definitely feel that you experienced ageism and I admire the way you handled it.

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  6. Yes Jess that is a frustrating scenario and I've been there myself except with the ages reversed. Possibly because I am younger so that is who I am most around but when their is only a few older people in class I have seen them discriminated against more than a few times. "Grampa" or "Grampma" I have heard and think they are inappropriate unless done by two people who have already established a good relationship.

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  7. As an older student I have seen both sides of the coin. I feel that sometimes I have been out of the "loop" in regards to certain topics and truly feel that I can learn from some of these younger students. Also I have seen many older students disregard much of what the younger students have to offer in a class. i have also seen the lack of respect from one generation to another with the younger students disregarding what the more experienced have to say. If you keep an open mind in a class it doesn't matter the age or experience I feel we can all learn from each other just don't be afraid to talk and don't be afraid to listen.

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  8. I think that's really great advice. "don't be afraid to talk and don't be afraid to listen." As I mentioned earlier I am an older student but have had mostly good experiences. I think we are all there to learn together and can learn from each other. I see such a variety of people. Some talking about how they went out and partied last night, (which is fine), while others the same age have children and husbands. I think that no matter what age we are, we can learn from each other and every is individual and has something to add if as mentioned, we care to listen.

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  9. i really liked this article and agree with it. I was looking at post grad jobs online for BSW's and it is a difficult market out there to seek employment in. I will most likely be going to grad school after graduation but even at that the jobs for MSW's also require a certain amount of work experience. For those of us going from BSW to MSW and who do not yet have work experience in the field....what does that mean? how will we get it?

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